For someone who's sacrificed almost 40 years of his life as a result of a crime he had no involvement in, Peter Sullivan projects a remarkably hopeful tone.
When I met him last month, for what was his debriefing session since being released from prison in May, he was cheerful and eagerly anticipating getting to Anfield to watch Liverpool play for the first time since he was arrested in 1986.
That was the year of the brutal homicide of Diane Sindall in his home town of Birkenhead - an incident he said he had limited information regarding because someone approached him in a pub at the time and said, "apparently there's been a murder".
When he was found guilty the following year at Liverpool Crown Court - he was sentenced to a indefinite period in some of Britain's toughest category A prisons where he would be persecuted by his tabloid nicknames "The Wirral Predator", "River Mersey Murderer" and "Lunar Killer".
Ahead of our conversation, he was full of stories about how since his freedom he has had to adjust to a fundamentally altered world.
When he was arrested, Margaret Thatcher was in Downing Street, the concept of the internet and Europe was still separated by the Iron Curtain.
He described watching the fall of the Berlin Wall from a communal television in prison.
Mr Sullivan described how trips to the shops now show how "society has evolved" - from trying to figure out how self-checkouts work to realising that "rather than having a cheque book, you've got it on your phone".
His confinement means he has been unaware of the way so many facets of everyday life have changed - similar to someone who has been in hibernation since the 1980s.
"Having endured so long in prison and discovering there's no DHSS [Department of Health and Social Security, now the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP)] where you can receive your money - you're thinking, 'Amazing, what's going on here?'"
He now has a mobile device, after finding out doctor's appointments need to be booked on something he now knows is called an 'mobile program'.
He first became acquainted with them when he was traveling on a bus shortly after his freedom and saw people operating smartphones. He only realised they were phones when he saw someone put one to their ear.
Mr Sullivan's 14,000 days in prison have also led to an inevitable sense of prison conditioning.
He remembered how after his freedom, one morning in his flat he walked back to his bedroom and sat down on his bed, because he was subconsciously waiting for a prison officer to come and confine him into his cell.
"You've got to be at your door at a specific hour, otherwise the officers will go off at you", he said.
"I was just sitting there thinking, 'What's happening?'"
But Mr Sullivan's hope is balanced by a yearning for answers about how he ended up being charged with an notorious murder that he was innocent of, and a confusion about why he still has not had an apology.
"Everything is gone", he said.
"My liberty was taken, I lost my mother since I've been in prison, I've lost my father.
"It pains me because I was absent for them", he said.
"I can't carry on with my life if I can't get an answer off them."
"The sole thing I need, an apology [and to understand] the cause behind they've done this to me", he said.
Merseyside Police said "minimal advantage to be gained for a re-examination of this matter today" because of "the changes to investigative techniques and improvements in the law over the last 40 years".
The force did refer some of Mr Sullivan's claims to the police regulatory agency, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC), who will now investigate his claims that officers physically abused him and warned to link him to other crimes if he didn't plead guilty to Diane Sindall's murder.
When asked if it would apologise, the force did not specifically respond the question, but as part of a comprehensive declaration it said: "The force acknowledges that there has been a significant injustice of justice in this case".
Mr Sullivan told me about his basic aspiration - an ambition that he said he had abandoned expectation of being able to achieve at some points over his almost forty years behind bars.
"The sole objective to do now is continue with my own life and progress as I was before, and experience freedom now".
His life ahead may be made less challenging by government monetary award, paid to individuals affected of judicial errors.
This scheme is restricted at £1.3m, a cap which it is estimated his eventual payout will get very approach.
But the procedure is not guaranteed, and it is lengthy.
Andrew Malkinson, whose sentence for a rape he had no involvement in was dismissed in 2023, was only given an temporary payment earlier this year.
Guilty prisoners who admit to their crimes and are released get a housing and some support regarding living expenses. Mr Sullivan, as an wrongly convicted individual, is not eligible for that help.
And so he is surviving a simple existence, with his modest ambitions - although many think he is a millionaire in waiting.
His legal representative, Sarah Myatt, said "there's not a figure that you could say that would be adequate for forfeiting 38 years of your life".
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